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  • Does anybody think Frozen 2 should be a little darker to show that the franchise is not just for female audience and to show it's more than just a overpopular franchise that heart and soul was put into?

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    • One thing I can imagine there being is a Drago Bludvist-type bad guy, who's first scene in the movie is him overpowering and killing someone like Pabbie, before then vowing to wipe out the royal family of Arendelle.

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    • Rodangizzardcrusher3 wrote: One thing I can imagine there being is a Drago Bludvist-type bad guy, who's first scene in the movie is him overpowering and killing someone like Pabbie, before then vowing to wipe out the royal family of Arendelle.

      Hmm. That might work for a giant ogre version of the Evil Troll from the Snow Queen, don't you think?

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    • Definetly. I'd also like to see another girl with powers like Elsa, though they'd contrast in approach and personality. While Elsa was afraid of being treated like a monster, I imagine this new character would have actually experienced abuse and hatred her whole life, and she would be more embracing of her "dark-side"

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    • Cool. I just hope that Disney can take what you and and I just said on time because, now Kristen Bell just said that the script has just been finished and that in April, the production will start and she'll do first voice recording for Anna.

      About, the ogre version of the Evil Troll, I have been desiring this to happen for months. Because I think that it might suit well for the sequel because of it's original HCA Snow Queen fairytale, while other possible villains could have been supporting or major antagonists, you know.

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    • I was thinking of an Evil Snow Queen that is the polar opposite of Elsa who is more evil than Hans, is not afraid to kill her enemies and has no remorse over The Evil Snow's murder of her family. She could like the Evil Queen and Scar altogether.

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    • Elsa's servant wrote: I was thinking of an Evil Snow Queen that is the polar opposite of Elsa who is more evil than Hans, is not afraid to kill her enemies and has no remorse over The Evil Snow's murder of her family. She could like the Evil Queen and Scar altogether.

      The Snow Queen was not all evil in the original HCA story, she was also neutral. But the Troll was much more evil than her because he created the mirror and he shattered it, made innocent people go against each other and with the shards created the Snow Queen. That's why I think it would be more suitable, efficient and perfect if Disney could be choose him as the villain

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      Possible Frozen 2 villain, based on the Evil Troll in the form of an ogre

      I made a picture of Anna, Elsa and friends along with the possible villain. This is how the Evil Troll could look like in Frozen 2. He is right next to Kristoff.

      PS. Never mind about the picture being almost upside down

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    • I also think, since most Disney sequels are just rehashings of the originals, that the Frozen sequel should actually play with the ideas that the first one gave.

      I imagine that the other snow-girl(I just call her Annika) I mentioned earlier would befriend Elsa, but Anna wouldn't trust her because of Hans. As Annika and Elsa grow closer over time, she is later revealed to be working with the film's main villain, and Anna chastises Elsa by saying she told her so. But later on, due to her friendship with Elsa, Annika betrays the villain and joins them.

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    • There is going to be a snow girl, but I think she will be Olaf's girlfriend.

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    • I mean as in an actual person who can control snow, like Elsa.

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    • Oh, ok. So tell me, What do you think of the drawing that I just made?

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    • I think it's pretty decent actually. The villain's design looks pretty good.

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    • Yeah. I wish it could have been made from Disney themselves.

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    • Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....


      Darker isn't always better? 


      Like, I'm not exactly a fan of some of redlettermedia's humor and it's 2hot4tv but their Mr.Plinkett review of Revenge of The Sith did a pretty good job of dissecting the "It's better because it's darker" hullabaloo.

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    • And another thing? Frozen did perfectly fine with the general audience. Beyond that? Girls have some good media that's marketted to them, but boys tend to have more stuff thrown at them. I don't see what taking an already established franchise targeted at the female demographic and throwing it at a male audience is gonna accomplish. 

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    • Moldavite.soul wrote:
      And another thing? Frozen did perfectly fine with the general audience. Beyond that? Girls have some good media that's marketted to them, but boys tend to have more stuff thrown at them. I don't see what taking an already established franchise targeted at the female demographic and throwing it at a male audience is gonna accomplish. 

      This is a Disney trend. It began with 'Sofia the First', where the main protagonist became more and more adventuress, and a storykeeper. Many boys began to watch the episodes, as well as girls do.

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    • Also, if the plot reveals to be any darker, then it should be much more epic than the first one. Also with Elsa fighting with the possible villain, the Evil Troll, with her powers, should be a total classic.

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    • I mean that's What I think about a proper darker plot for male audiences. That Elsa and Anna and their friends would go on a cool, dangerous adventure and on the way to fight the creator of Elsa's powers who would possibly be the Evil Troll (Ogre) through mountains and hilltops and even going through massive avalances and snow storms

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    • Oh yeah, and I hope the bad guy isn't a surprise. I'd prefer if this movie's antagonist was obviously evil and loved being it.

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    • Rodangizzardcrusher3 wrote: Oh yeah, and I hope the bad guy isn't a surprise. I'd prefer if this movie's antagonist was obviously evil and loved being it.

      I 100% agree with you. Yesterday I went to the page of Elsa's Ice Palace and I found in the comment section, an interesting information from a user called EdwardDavies1 saying that this said information came from Disney themselves. It was supposed to be in the first movie but for some reason it didn't make it, even though they have confirmed it. I think they wanted to keep Elsa's powers's origin for another time, because they wanted to focus more on the relationship between Anna and Elsa. But you have got to read this. It says:

      "However, at some point in the first film, the (real) main villain (hinted to have given Elsa her ice powers in the first place, just to make her look bad) will eventually arrive at Elsa's castle, at which said villain immediately comes upon the snowman guards to see if Elsa is inside the palace. At first the snowmen refuse, but then the villain will respond by attacking them until they finally tell this villain yes. After this, this villain will stab all of the snowmen with the remaining broken shards of the villain's mirror(one of which was responsible for Elsa's transformation), causing them all to become more menacing then ever, and allowing the villain to enter the castle. Upon realizing that Elsa wants to be left alone in her own ice castle to prevent anyone from figuring out her ice powers, the villain will grant her wish by presenting her her own snowmen, now betraying her due to them now seeing her as a "bad queen" to them and beginning to obey the villain, and the snowmen then trap Elsa inside her own castle while they will all escape with the villain to wreak havoc on her birth kingdom. At this point Elsa will then learn that she has made a huge mistake for abandoning her kingdom and indirectly fulfilling the prophecy, and will eventually be rescued by Anna, Kristoff, Sven, and Olaf where she will admit to her sister that she will regret what she did and that she blamed her own sister for what she has become."

      I wonder why this didn't happen in the first one. But I would love to see this for real in the sequel of Frozen I think this piece of plot might tell how Elsa got her powers. And I suspect that it might be the Evil Troll (or Ogre) from its original fairytale of the Snow Queen. I believe it strongly makes sense

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    • I don't know about this. I would like it to be darker, but I don't think it would end very well. If Frozen 2 was darker Disney would have to remove most of the singing. As a result, it would ruin the movie for younger audiences. Frozen is suppose to be a kid friendly movie, so the idea of making it darker wouldn't be appropriate.

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    • Nick Piberius Wilde wrote:
      I don't know about this. I would like it to be darker, but I don't think it would end very well. If Frozen 2 was darker Disney would have to remove most of the singing. As a result, it would ruin the movie for younger audiences. Frozen is suppose to be a kid friendly movie, so the idea of making it darker wouldn't be appropriate.

      Lion King 2 and Hunchback of Notre Dame were both incredibly dark and musicals, and they worked out fine, well, at least better than they could have done.

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    • If Frozen is supposed to be a kid friendly movie, why is it rated PG? Even The Lion King and the Hunchback of Notre Dame were rated G and they're two of the darkest Disney movies I know

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    • KillRoy231 wrote: If Frozen is supposed to be a kid friendly movie, why is it rated PG? Even The Lion King and the Hunchback of Notre Dame were rated G and they're two of the darkest Disney movies I know

      Yeah. But they keep getting very interesting through time.

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    • KillRoy231 wrote:
      If Frozen is supposed to be a kid friendly movie, why is it rated PG? Even The Lion King and the Hunchback of Notre Dame were rated G and they're two of the darkest Disney movies I know

      I sort of agree with your statement KillRoy231, but you should consider when the movies were made. The Lion King and The Hunchback of Notre Dame were both made in the 1990's, and movies that were made during that time were usually darker and sometimes more innappropriate than movies that are made today. 

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    • Nick Piberius Wilde wrote:
      KillRoy231 wrote:
      If Frozen is supposed to be a kid friendly movie, why is it rated PG? Even The Lion King and the Hunchback of Notre Dame were rated G and they're two of the darkest Disney movies I know
      I sort of agree with your statement KillRoy231, but you should consider when the movies were made. The Lion King and The Hunchback of Notre Dame were both made in the 1990's, and movies that were made during that time were usually darker and sometimes more innappropriate than movies that are made today. 

      Tangled was rated PG, and Pinnochio, despite being rated G, has underage smoking, underage drinking, swearing, and once of the most frightening moments in any Disney film.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:

      Tangled was rated PG, and Pinnochio, despite being rated G, has underage smoking, underage drinking, swearing, and once of the most frightening moments in any Disney film.

      I agree

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    • Didn't we have enough stuff trying to be edgy in the early 2000's?

      I thought we had finally moved past the era of everything trying to be super edgy and dark in a bad attempt to rip off the films and shows that actually did it well like Batman TAS and Gargoyles.

      And why would you want to turn the sequel of a movie (which became popular by being what it is) into something completely different? Different story is necessary, but completely different tone? That's how most of the sequels Disney made before turned out so terrible!

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    • The Toy Story franchise got darker with each installment, and that went pretty well.

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    • Rodangizzardcrusher3 wrote:
      The Toy Story franchise got darker with each installment, and that went pretty well.

      That worked because the whole idea was "What if toys were alive?" Which led to the other questions, "What happens when they're sold to someone else?" and "How do they feel when they're thrown away?"

      For Toy Story, it made sense, because it was the natural direction to go, as Andy grew up and didn't need his toys.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      Rodangizzardcrusher3 wrote:
      The Toy Story franchise got darker with each installment, and that went pretty well.
      That worked because the whole idea was "What if toys were alive?" Which led to the other questions, "What happens when they're sold to someone else?" and "How do they feel when they're thrown away?"

      For Toy Story, it made sense, because it was the natural direction to go, as Andy grew up and didn't need his toys.

      Exactly, why can't this do the same thing. Considering the first movie was about "what if the Queen of a kingdom had ice powers?", the next film could be "what if there were other powered beings in the world" and "what if they're not as friendly as the Queen"

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    • Rodangizzardcrusher3 wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      Rodangizzardcrusher3 wrote:
      The Toy Story franchise got darker with each installment, and that went pretty well.
      That worked because the whole idea was "What if toys were alive?" Which led to the other questions, "What happens when they're sold to someone else?" and "How do they feel when they're thrown away?"

      For Toy Story, it made sense, because it was the natural direction to go, as Andy grew up and didn't need his toys.

      Exactly, why can't this do the same thing. Considering the first movie was about "what if the Queen of a kingdom had ice powers?", the next film could be "what if there were other powered beings in the world" and "what if they're not as friendly as the Queen"

      True, but unlike the Toy Story target audience, Frozen's target audience are still children. Toy Story 3's target audience were the adults who watched the first two movies as kids.

      Also, to mention something in the title, what makes the OP think that something has to be "edgy" to attract male viewers, anyway?

      Heck, the whole post defeats the purpose of it's actual goal.

      Does anybody think Frozen 2 should be a little darker to show that the franchise is not just for female audience and to show it's more than just a overpopular franchise that heart and soul was put into?

      Making the sequel darker just to please audiences would be changing the "Heart and Soul" to pander to another audience, which is the worst thing any franchise can do.

      People are getting sick of everything being made overly dark and edgy. Frozen was liked because it handled mature subject matter without going over-the-top dark and edgy.

      There is a difference between edgy and mature.

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    • Rodangizzardcrusher3 wrote:

      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      Rodangizzardcrusher3 wrote:
      The Toy Story franchise got darker with each installment, and that went pretty well.
      That worked because the whole idea was "What if toys were alive?" Which led to the other questions, "What happens when they're sold to someone else?" and "How do they feel when they're thrown away?"

      For Toy Story, it made sense, because it was the natural direction to go, as Andy grew up and didn't need his toys.

      Exactly, why can't this do the same thing. Considering the first movie was about "what if the Queen of a kingdom had ice powers?", the next film could be "what if there were other powered beings in the world" and "what if they're not as friendly as the Queen"

      And also in addition, it could be like "what if the Queen's powers came from their mystery creator?"

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    • Did anyone read my previous post?

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote: Did anyone read my previous post?

      Hey, speaking of that, I don't think anyone read my previous post either. It was about a previous information that Disney was going to use in the first film

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    • 702085 wrote:

      PyroGothNerd wrote: Did anyone read my previous post?

      Hey, speaking of that, I don't think anyone read my previous post either. It was about a previous information that Disney was going to use in the first film

      Hm. That tends to happen a lot on threads.

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    • 702085 wrote:

      Rodangizzardcrusher3 wrote: Oh yeah, and I hope the bad guy isn't a surprise. I'd prefer if this movie's antagonist was obviously evil and loved being it.

      I 100% agree with you. Yesterday I went to the page of Elsa's Ice Palace and I found in the comment section, an interesting information from a user called EdwardDavies1 saying that this said information came from Disney themselves. It was supposed to be in the first movie but for some reason it didn't make it, even though they have confirmed it. I think they wanted to keep Elsa's powers's origin for another time, because they wanted to focus more on the relationship between Anna and Elsa. But you have got to read this. It says:

      "However, at some point in the first film, the (real) main villain (hinted to have given Elsa her ice powers in the first place, just to make her look bad) will eventually arrive at Elsa's castle, at which said villain immediately comes upon the snowman guards to see if Elsa is inside the palace. At first the snowmen refuse, but then the villain will respond by attacking them until they finally tell this villain yes. After this, this villain will stab all of the snowmen with the remaining broken shards of the villain's mirror(one of which was responsible for Elsa's transformation), causing them all to become more menacing then ever, and allowing the villain to enter the castle. Upon realizing that Elsa wants to be left alone in her own ice castle to prevent anyone from figuring out her ice powers, the villain will grant her wish by presenting her her own snowmen, now betraying her due to them now seeing her as a "bad queen" to them and beginning to obey the villain, and the snowmen then trap Elsa inside her own castle while they will all escape with the villain to wreak havoc on her birth kingdom. At this point Elsa will then learn that she has made a huge mistake for abandoning her kingdom and indirectly fulfilling the prophecy, and will eventually be rescued by Anna, Kristoff, Sven, and Olaf where she will admit to her sister that she will regret what she did and that she blamed her own sister for what she has become."

      I wonder why this didn't happen in the first one. But I would love to see this for real in the sequel of Frozen I think this piece of plot might tell how Elsa got her powers. And I suspect that it might be the Evil Troll (or Ogre) from its original fairytale of the Snow Queen. I believe it strongly makes sense

      THat actually would have been somewhat closer to the book, since it used the mirror and such.

      It also would have been a much better message about not blaming others for one's own actions and decisions, which, quite frankly, people of all ages need right now, because people love blaming others.

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    • Right. I think it can be the darker and edgier thing that everyone's talking about, right? Or am I wrong by any chance? I also do hope Disney can use this info this time and bring out that message that you just said. It can possibly allign that message with the message from the first movie.

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    • For me, "edgy" and "dark" are similar, but different. The image I used earlier outlines it pretty well.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote: For me, "edgy" and "dark" are similar, but different. The image I used earlier outlines it pretty well.

      I don't understand exactly but I think it might be quite interesting.

      But hey, do you think Disney really need to put that old info into the sequel? I do because that would have definitely brought some plot pieces based on the original Snow Queen, only that it has to have some little changes, because the snowmen were the villain's minions. But since there wasn't any snowmen guards (except for Marshmallow) there has to be other minions. And most of all, that message that you just said, should be somehow alligned with the message from the first movie

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    • The point is, to have what they were supposed to do in the first one. It would have been a perfect plot piece that could reveal Elsa's powers coming from the villain himself. I especially want to see that part where Elsa gets locked up in her own ice palace and Anna and her friends come and rescue her

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    • Uh, no. Frozen is a family film. Unless you mean "dark" but still kid-friendly then that is understandable.

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    • Ycrmao wrote: Uh, no. Frozen is a family film. Unless you mean "dark" but still kid-friendly then that is understandable.

      Yes. Getting darker but still being kid-friendly. I'm just trying to make Disney bring back that old plot piece they were going to use in the first movie that I think it's really great and it gives me the chills. I was also hoping if you could spread the word about it, to see if Disney can bring it back?

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    • I think Frozen 2 being darker would benefit the film, and not just for the male audience. I felt that Frozen had some dark elements, and that those felt wasted and out of place when put in a light setting. A darker setting would suit those elements, making the story make more sense as well as be more interesting due to being a change of pace from the typical cheery film.

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    • Royalreceiver wrote:
      I think Frozen 2 being darker would benefit the film, and not just for the male audience. I felt that Frozen had some dark elements, and that those felt wasted and out of place when put in a light setting. A darker setting would suit those elements, making the story make more sense as well as be more interesting due to being a change of pace from the typical cheery film.

      Lion King had a light setting, but no one accuses it's dark moments of being "wasted"

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    • I think Elsa gets a girlfriend (like a trending thing at twitter urges) and they live. And they're happy. Classic Disney. But... not that classic. Hue hue hue

      This will certanly attract a lot of attention.

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    • I honestly want Elsa to remain a loner. The whole idea of Frozen is to be the opposite of classic Disney. Besides, Asexual people need representation, too, and the whole point of the movie was family love being more powerful than romantic love.

      Also, last time everyone begged for a main character to get the girl when they initially didn't, we ended up with Hunchback of Notre Dame 2.....and we don't want a repeat of THAT now do we?

      If we get a gay Disney character, it should be in their independant film, not in a sequel.

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    • I wouldn't mind her remaining a loner. Just not a guy... I can't imagine the right one for her.

      And the point about sequels is very sound. Disney isn't very good at those. I haven't thoght about that.

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    • I'm terrified at the idea of the sequel being darker and edgier but let's face it disney is darker and edgier than it was before. Look at The Incredibles. A man tried to commit suicide in that one. I would have been traumatized for life if he actually died

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    • Jim Reaper wrote:
      I'm terrified at the idea of the sequel being darker and edgier but let's face it disney is darker and edgier than it was before. Look at The Incredibles. A man tried to commit suicide in that one. I would have been traumatized for life if he actually died

      The Incredibles was not edgy.

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    • Maybe Elsa will be the villain like in the orignal book?:-3

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    • Da king of Spongebob Fans wrote:
      Maybe Elsa will be the villain like in the orignal book?:-3

      Then the Frozen fans will throw a fit....no, it's too late for that.

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    • Wow that was quick:

      But well anyways maybe is like Elsa builds snow people to do the villagers chores.But Hans secterlty go's back to the island to turn the snowmen evil.Elsa is then locked up so Enna and the rest of the crew go and stop Han's again.........What I hate frozen so why am I editing this fourm?

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    • Da king of Spongebob Fans wrote: Wow that was quick:

      But well anyways maybe is like Elsa builds snow people to do the villagers chores.But Hans secterlty go's back to the island to turn the snowmen evil.Elsa is then locked up so Enna and the rest of the crew go and stop Han's again.........What I hate frozen so why am I editing this fourm?

      Everything that you've just said was the exact same climax that was originally going to be in the first movie but Hans wasn't involved in it, it was a wicked monsterous villain who DID turn Elsa's snowmen guards evil, gave her the ice powers since she was born to make her look bad and locked her in her own palace until Anna and her friends arrived to rescue her.

      I wonder why that part wasn't in the first Frozen movie, I hope it's in the sequel

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    • I also hope that the story that Anna had told to Ingrid the Snow Queen in Once Upon a Time can be in Frozen 2 as well

      That story was about a king who had a beautiful daughter he loved so much and that for her birthday he had a mirror made for her birthday. It was the Cursed Mirror and it reflected the beauty and kindness within her, but when she suddenly died one day, the king was devastated and the mirror reflected the ugliness of his pain and sorrow. So he decided that the whole kingdom should share his pain by using the dark power of the mirror and casted them a dark spell on them and it caused them to lose their ability to love and see everything that is awful and disgusting that they all turned against each other and most of them had killed themselves.

      In my idea, I would say that the king never made the mirror, it was the Evil Ogre from the original Snow Queen story. The Ogre just gave it to the king and he gave it to his daughter for her birthday. But the Ogre really intended to cause trouble and tragedy to the family with the mirror. So he sneaked into his castle and killed the king's daughter. The king didn't know how she died, but in his pain he went to the Ogre again and asked him to help him one last time, to curse his own kingdom just so they could share his pain. After he succeded in all of it, The Ogre slyly confessed everything to the king, and most of all he confessed that he killed the king's daughter. The king was shocked and called him a murderer, a traitor and a monster. The Ogre laughed and said to him that he will die with the truth in him and so the beast pierced his claws into the king's chest, killing him. He destroyed his kingdom.

      And now a hundred years later, The Ogre, whose name was Plarkerus, returned and also tried to kill the King and Queen of Arendelle and also tried to make the Queen cause an abortion when she was pregnant of Elsa, but Grand Pabbie stepped in and saved the Queen with his magic and strictly commanded Plarkerus to never return to harm them again. Plarkerus swore vengance, he left angrily and vowed to someday return and defy Pabbie's command.

      But when Elsa was born, her parents realized that because of Plarkerus, she had ice powers and that someday she could hurt someone accidently. They decided not to tell anyone about it.

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    • Elsa's servant wrote:
      Does anybody think Frozen 2 should be a little darker to show that the franchise is not just for female audience and to show it's more than just a overpopular franchise that heart and soul was put into?
      Why?  r u say that  us girls  don`t  like things that r dark & Edgy?
      Elsa the cold never bothered me anyway

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    • Sister Gothel wrote:
      Elsa's servant wrote:
      Does anybody think Frozen 2 should be a little darker to show that the franchise is not just for female audience and to show it's more than just a overpopular franchise that heart and soul was put into?
      Why?  r u say that  us girls  don`t  like things that r dark & Edgy?
      Elsa the cold never bothered me anyway

      My thing is you really can't make a sequel have a different tone from the first film without upsetting the fans of the first. It worked for Harry Potter because Harry was getting older and learning more about what was going on around him, but in most situations it's a recipe for disaster.

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    • U forgot to mention us girls! (even though I hate being a woman myself)
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    • Why aren`t u answering this time? & do u know how to get in contact with Kristen Bell?     

      ElsaPose

      Elsa the Snow Queen

           

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    • 1: Don't be impatient. This is a forum, not a live chat.

      2: How the heck would any of us know how to contact Kristen Bell?

      3: Quit adding random images just for the sake of adding images

      4: If someone doesn't want to answer, they don't have to.5: Clearly I didn't give a crap whether or not you were a girl, so that's why I didn't say anything about that. Duh.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      1: Don't be impatient. This is a forum, not a live chat.

      2: How the heck would any of us know how to contact Kristen Bell?

      3: Quit adding random images just for the sake of adding images

      4: If someone doesn't want to answer, they don't have to.5: Clearly I didn't give a crap whether or not you were a girl, so that's why I didn't say anything about that. Duh.

      I agree with you.

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    • It's somewhat ironic that the shows that people are inclined to think are intended primarily for a female audience are less afraid to kill characters (or at least villains) than other shows.

      I'm not sure what the Disney Princess crossovers are like or whether they'd appeal to me, but 9 out of 12 of the original Disney Princess films have killed its villain, some of them in brutal ways. Sadly, Frozen is one of the other three

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    • What do u mean a female audience are less  afraid to kill?   This is confusing for me!

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    • 702085 wrote:

      KillRoy231 wrote: If Frozen is supposed to be a kid friendly movie, why is it rated PG? Even The Lion King and the Hunchback of Notre Dame were rated G and they're two of the darkest Disney movies I know

      Yeah. But they keep getting very interesting through time.  Intersting in what way?


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    • (Loud, audible groan) PG and G don't mean squat anymore. I learned in a censorship class, but Nostalgia Critic does a good job explaining it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL4vRihNk4s

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    • Sister Gothel wrote:
      What do u mean a female audience are less  afraid to kill?   This is confusing for me!

      Not audience, animated shows with female protagonists which people quite sadly often mistake as being only for female audience.

      I heard that animes with either a set of male or mixed protagonists look down on the killing of major characters today (like Fairy Tail), which obviously changed from older animes of that style like Digimon and Dragonball Z which did it all the time, but Sailor Moon Crystal is recent and it killed pretty much all its villains (and a few good characters too). Also, despite all the censorship in the original Sailor Moon, the deaths were left intact, to the point that Sailor Moon has twice the kill count of James Bond.

      Even the first generation of My Little Pony was the only TV cartoon in the 1980s to actually kill characters, and if you don't believe me, look up Tirek and Lavan on Villains Wiki.

      Though really, aside from that this only applies to anime in the present day

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      (Loud, audible groan) PG and G don't mean squat anymore. I learned in a censorship class, but Nostalgia Critic does a good job explaining it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL4vRihNk4s

      Hey, what happened to the comment I was responding to?

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    • KillRoy231 wrote:
      Sister Gothel wrote:
      What do u mean a female audience are less  afraid to kill?   This is confusing for me!
      Not audience, animated shows with female protagonists which people quite sadly often mistake as being only for female audience.

      I heard that animes with either a set of male or mixed protagonists look down on the killing of major characters today (like Fairy Tail), which obviously changed from older animes of that style like Digimon and Dragonball Z which did it all the time, but Sailor Moon Crystal is recent and it killed pretty much all its villains (and a few good characters too). Also, despite all the censorship in the original Sailor Moon, the deaths were left intact, to the point that Sailor Moon has twice the kill count of James Bond.

      Even the first generation of My Little Pony was the only TV cartoon in the 1980s to actually kill characters, and if you don't believe me, look up Tirek and Lavan on Villains Wiki.

      Though really, aside from that this only applies to anime in the present day

      I was born in the 80s & Im still unable to tell the differnce between fantasy & reality , even with all  that cencorship , & I also used to watch Sailor Moon , not as good as My Little Pony , She-ra & Princess Gwenevere & the Jewel Riders! they all drove me insane (except My Little Pony) & I still play with them!

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      (Loud, audible groan) PG and G don't mean squat anymore. I learned in a censorship class, but Nostalgia Critic does a good job explaining it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL4vRihNk4s
      Hey, what happened to the comment I was responding to?

      Nevermind, I see it.

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    • Still, is there really anything that dictates what show is suitable for a specific gender anymore? (Unless it's a case like Twilight, where the story's lame and the only people who like it are those who find its male characters attractive, at least that's what I heard)

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    • KillRoy231 wrote:
      Still, is there really anything that dictates what show is suitable for a specific gender anymore? (Unless it's a case like Twilight, where the story's lame and the only people who like it are those who find its male characters attractive, at least that's what I heard)

      Actually, the Twilight books were decent..not spectacular, but decent. It's the bad script-writing in the films that ruined it.

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      (Loud, audible groan) PG and G don't mean squat anymore. I learned in a censorship class, but Nostalgia Critic does a good job explaining it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL4vRihNk4s
      Hey, what happened to the comment I was responding to?
      Nevermind, I see it.   who?


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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      (Loud, audible groan) PG and G don't mean squat anymore. I learned in a censorship class, but Nostalgia Critic does a good job explaining it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL4vRihNk4s
      Hey, what happened to the comment I was responding to?
      Nevermind, I see it.  who are u taking too?


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    • Sister Gothel, you are putting your responses inside the quote area. I'm going to assume you are new to wikia.

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    • I can't say Frozen lacked backbone coz killing family members of the hero is much darker than killing the villains, but I hope Frozen 2 gives us a climactic death scene for the villain. But that's like hoping I'll win the lottery coz Disney doesn't do it anymore in their movies. (TV shows on the other hand...)

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    • KillRoy231 wrote:
      I can't say Frozen lacked backbone coz killing family members of the hero is much darker than killing the villains, but I hope Frozen 2 gives us a climactic death scene for the villain. But that's like hoping I'll win the lottery coz Disney doesn't do it anymore in their movies. (TV shows on the other hand...)

      Um, doesn't do it anymore? What about Mother Gothel? Turbo? Literally the other movies made by the same animators?

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    • I meant after Turbo. He was the last (Gothel and Facilier came before him). Hans, Yokai, Bellwether, that's three in a row, which hasn't been done since the early streak of four in Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, and Lady and the Tramp (unless you count the rat as the main villain), in which Tremaine and Sarah never tried to murder anyone (that I can remember, it's been ages since I've seen those movies), Alice in Wonderland was a dream, and they had a specific reason for letting Hook live (coz they knew audiences would like him too much). And the last time there were two survivals in a row were Hook (again, in the sequel) and Gantu.

      I should know - I made a list of the fate of each Disney villain in release order, and referred to it before posting this. Though I'm not counting any sequels I have no interest in unless they use the same villain.

      Right now I'll pretend I haven't read the Moana book, but come Wednesday I won't have to anymore and I can either express how satisfied I was when I saw it in theaters, or ask why they've consciously stopped after Wreck-It Ralph.

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    • KillRoy231 wrote:
      I meant after Turbo. He was the last (Gothel and Facilier came before him). Hans, Yokai, Bellwether, that's three in a row, which hasn't been done since the early streak of four in Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, and Lady and the Tramp (unless you count the rat as the main villain), in which Tremaine and Sarah never tried to murder anyone (that I can remember, it's been ages since I've seen those movies), Alice in Wonderland was a dream, and they had a specific reason for letting Hook live (coz they knew audiences would like him too much). And the last time there were two survivals in a row were Hook (again, in the sequel) and Gantu.

      I should know - I made a list of the fate of each Disney villain in release order, and referred to it before posting this. Though I'm not counting any sequels I have no interest in unless they use the same villain.

      Right now I'll pretend I haven't read the Moana book, but come Wednesday I won't have to anymore and I can either express how satisfied I was when I saw it in theaters, or ask why they've consciously stopped after Wreck-It Ralph.

      Well, Zootopia had the "cop movie" excuse, since cop movies usually end in people being arrested rather than killed.

      Frozen it was more fun watching Hans get punched in the face, and killing him would have caused a war with his kingdom.

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    • I fully acknowledge Zootopia was understandable, but as for Hans, or even Yokai, the hero doesn't have to be the one to kill the villain, they've gotten karmic deaths before (the queen, Frollo, etc.)

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote: Sister Gothel, you are putting your responses inside the quote area. I'm going to assume you are new to wikia.

      yes , why?

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    • Sister Gothel wrote:

      PyroGothNerd wrote: Sister Gothel, you are putting your responses inside the quote area. I'm going to assume you are new to wikia.

      yes , why?

      Because you were putting your responses inside the quote area instead of outside. It's a beginner-type mistake. You seem to have figured it out now, though.

      Also, you're using one of the default wiki avatars, which is totally fine, but usually a good sign someone is either still fairly new, or just doesn't feel like changing it.

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    • Finally, tomorrow I can say whether Moana revives Disney's classic ending or continues their new trend

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:

      Sister Gothel wrote:

      PyroGothNerd wrote: Sister Gothel, you are putting your responses inside the quote area. I'm going to assume you are new to wikia.

      yes , why?

      Because you were putting your responses inside the quote area instead of outside. It's a beginner-type mistake. You seem to have figured it out now, though.

      Also, you're using one of the default wiki avatars, which is totally fine, but usually a good sign someone is either still fairly new, or just doesn't feel like changing it.

           I see , except I don`t know how to change my avatar
      
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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:

      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      (Loud, audible groan) PG and G don't mean squat anymore. I learned in a censorship class, but Nostalgia Critic does a good job explaining it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL4vRihNk4s
      Hey, what happened to the comment I was responding to?

      Nevermind, I see it. See what?

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    • Ycrmao wrote:

      PyroGothNerd wrote:
      1: Don't be impatient. This is a forum, not a live chat.

      2: How the heck would any of us know how to contact Kristen Bell?

      3: Quit adding random images just for the sake of adding images

      4: If someone doesn't want to answer, they don't have to.5: Clearly I didn't give a crap whether or not you were a girl, so that's why I didn't say anything about that. Duh.

      I agree with you. agree with who?

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    • I think that Feozen is a good movie on it's own and doesn't need sequels. However, I think that a midquel (that depicts Anna and Elsa's relationship when the gates were closed, when they did see each other during meals, they probably had a somewhat strained relationship) would be interesting.

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    • Well, now Moana's out and Tamatoa's fate is given on his page, I guess I don't have to hold back spoilers anymore. However, since not everyone's gonna see it on the first day, maybe even the first week, I'll put in an expanding table to keep it hidden from those who don't want spoilers.

      Spoilers - Click "expand" to view

      Basically the villain is either Te Ka or Tamatoa. Te Ka turns out to be Te Fiti and naturally is restored to her true self. But even if Tamatoa was only the secondary villain, they could have had him take the climactic fall like Lord Kril in The Last Starfighter, Politea in the Winx movie, Toffee in Star vs. the Forces of Evil (though he may still be around as a ghost), and Midnight Sparkle in Legend of Everfree.

      Instead he just ends up flipped on his back and stays trapped there.

      This conclusively proves my theory. Four survivals in a row, which hasn't been done since the thing I mentioned above. Once enough people have seen and commented on it I'll do a forum thread as to why Disney isn't killing the villains anymore. (again, taking the Te Ka thing into account, they could have atleast had Tamatoa take the fall) They can't pretend they don't have the backbone for it because they still kill family members of the hero (except in Zootopia), which is a hundred times darker, and all four are rated PG, where most of the Disney movies that killed the villain (with a few exceptions like Wreck-It Ralph, Atlantis, or The Black Cauldron) are rated G.

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    • Thank you for doing the expandable table.

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    • I would love to see a darker Frozen 2, Sanrio style if you know what I mean.

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    • Iscreamer1 wrote:
      I would love to see a darker Frozen 2, Sanrio style if you know what I mean.

      what do you mean by " Scenario style"?

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    • Sister Gothel wrote:

      Iscreamer1 wrote:
      I would love to see a darker Frozen 2, Sanrio style if you know what I mean.

      what do you mean by " Scenario style"?

      I mean like the Japanese animation company Sanrio, look up their films if you do not believe me.

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    • Well, the original wasn't Sanrio, so why would the sequel be.?

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    • Sister Gothel wrote:
      702085 wrote:

      KillRoy231 wrote: If Frozen is supposed to be a kid friendly movie, why is it rated PG? Even The Lion King and the Hunchback of Notre Dame were rated G and they're two of the darkest Disney movies I know

      Yeah. But they keep getting very interesting through time.  Intersting in what way?
      Hey! can you atleast  pleaz answer me?


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    • Nope it shouldn't be darker because it's for kids Frozen 2013 flims and the other ones are not darker

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    • It's funny coz people on MLP Wiki are saying that kids shows never have death in them, and using that alone to say that King Sombra is still alive in MLP even after the writer of the episode in question pronounced him dead. Obviously they've never seen a single Disney movie. (Unless it was Zootopia, Robin Hood, Cinderella, etc.)

      Frozen - whose biggest fans are likely the kids that MLP was originally intended for - didn't kill the villain, but it did kill the main characters' parents, which is a lot darker. So, why can't Sombra be dead?

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    • I think in the sequel maybe Elsa will find out that she can use her powers to travel back in time?

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    • It shouldn't be darker because it's a children's movie, it's not made for adults. Not saying that adults can't enjoy it but it's mainly for children's entertainment

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    • G.adb.12 good point.

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    • G.adb.12 wrote:
      It shouldn't be darker because it's a children's movie, it's not made for adults. Not saying that adults can't enjoy it but it's mainly for children's entertainment

      Do you remember the lion king? That's LIVING PROOF that a family film can be dark and fun at the same time. Children need a bit of dark moments so they dont go through their childhood thinking the world is full of pixies and rainbows because its a dark and horrible world out there with fairly good, fairly bad and terrible people too so they need to know how reality is.

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    • Also edgey? really? Do you really want Olaf to start rapping randomly like how the powerpuff girls did?

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    • I don't think it should be dark. Children will learn that reality isn't Frozen as they get older.

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    • Frozen 2 opinions for skillfully done entertainment I'm on Pandagirls side of this not becoming darker. They can have fun in the north like Moana does on her adventure when they travel but when they're their castle they can spend time giving things thought like Flynn Rider did with Rapunzel's return home, and they can spend their leisure time like Merida and her triplet brothers. Kristoff should teach these girl his ice job so their castle can chop ice whenever it's a useful idea healing and other ideas. Olaf can spend time with his snow girl haha a little like Mr. Potatoe head does with his wife, or a bit like the playful alligator who likes Tianna in the animated movie of The Princess and the Frog, plus his own snowy time scenes. I wouldn't let this sequel look darker but I'd let it be much more music I'd surely let the trolls see Elsa and Ana at a party that's just a kingdom feast with Kristoff or so.

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    • PandaGirl1 wrote:
      I don't think it should be dark. Children will learn that reality isn't Frozen as they get older.

      Dark is more interesting. I will has this again: REMEMBER THE LION KING?

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    • LionGuardEscort198 wrote:
      Frozen 2 opinions for skillfully done entertainment I'm on Pandagirls side of this not becoming darker. They can have fun in the north like Moana does on her adventure when they travel but when they're their castle they can spend time giving things thought like Flynn Rider did with Rapunzel's return home, and they can spend their leisure time like Merida and her triplet brothers. Kristoff should teach these girl his ice job so their castle can chop ice whenever it's a useful idea healing and other ideas. Olaf can spend time with his snow girl haha a little like Mr. Potatoe head does with his wife, or a bit like the playful alligator who likes Tianna in the animated movie of The Princess and the Frog, plus his own snowy time scenes. I wouldn't let this sequel look darker but I'd let it be much more music I'd surely let the trolls see Elsa and Ana at a party that's just a kingdom feast with Kristoff or so.

      REMEBER THE LION KING, ATLANTIS, THE BLACK CALDRON?! They were dark and interesting, it can work as a family film you know and don't even think about boycotts

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    • KillRoy231 wrote:
      It's funny coz people on MLP Wiki are saying that kids shows never have death in them, and using that alone to say that King Sombra is still alive in MLP even after the writer of the episode in question pronounced him dead. Obviously they've never seen a single Disney movie. (Unless it was Zootopia, Robin Hood, Cinderella, etc.)

      Frozen - whose biggest fans are likely the kids that MLP was originally intended for - didn't kill the villain, but it did kill the main characters' parents, which is a lot darker. So, why can't Sombra be dead?

      They need to know about death you know. (He's obviously dead all that was left was his HORN)

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    • GraceKim12 I'm efficient with choosing DVD enough, I'm one who doesn't even know what this Boycott stuff is, I just know how to look for hidden attitude signs and several ways to be either polite or efficient. And with my unusuual lessons  this includes secret ways to be prudent.

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    • I'm mainly saying just dark is fine to me for  new lessons  for younger people to learn, but superdark no, look a bit at who you're giving each role to especially how you do the epic scenes. But let the end of the sequel be the happiest part.

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    • LionGuardEscort198 wrote:
      GraceKim12 I'm efficient with choosing DVD enough, I'm one who doesn't even know what this Boycott stuff is, I just know how to look for hidden attitude signs and several ways to be either polite or efficient. And with my unusuual lessons  this includes secret ways to be prudent.

      I don't know what Prudent means

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    • LionGuardEscort198 wrote:
      I'm mainly saying just dark is fine to me for  new lessons  for younger people to learn, but superdark no, look a bit at who you're giving each role to especially how you do the epic scenes. But let the end of the sequel be the happiest part.

      What are you talking about? There's ALWAYS happy endings in these movies!

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    • Elsa's servant wrote:
      Does anybody think Frozen 2 should be a little darker to show that the franchise is not just for female audience and to show it's more than just a overpopular franchise that heart and soul was put into?

      Can you explain what you mean by dark in this context? It's too broad. and edgey? you mean like how TTG and PPG 2016 tries to be 'hip' with the kids? I hope you don't mean that. If you mean Batman dark, then at least say that.

      Also last time I checked Disney movies are for everyone, just because the main characters are female doesn't been the movie is just for girls ok?

      I'm also confused as to why some peple think that dark movies is not a good idea. has everyone forgotten about THE LION KING?

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    • LionGuardEscort198 wrote:
      GraceKim12 I'm efficient with choosing DVD enough, I'm one who doesn't even know what this Boycott stuff is, I just know how to look for hidden attitude signs and several ways to be either polite or efficient. And with my unusuual lessons  this includes secret ways to be prudent.

      DVD? can you speak normal english please? I don't recognise all of these posh and complicated words like prudent

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    • PandaGirl1 wrote:
      I think in the sequel maybe Elsa will find out that she can use her powers to travel back in time?

      that would be a big COP OUT and she has bloody ICE POWERS! why would she turn back time?! They're not realated at all, do you WANT her to suddenly become superman?!

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    • PyroGothNerd wrote:
      I honestly want Elsa to remain a loner. The whole idea of Frozen is to be the opposite of classic Disney. Besides, Asexual people need representation, too, and the whole point of the movie was family love being more powerful than romantic love.

      Also, last time everyone begged for a main character to get the girl when they initially didn't, we ended up with Hunchback of Notre Dame 2.....and we don't want a repeat of THAT now do we?

      If we get a gay Disney character, it should be in their independant film, not in a sequel.

      I agree with this statement!

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    • Prudent is you're cautious and think carefully before you start doing something. Danger, mistakes, or the wisdom of others from a fiction story or from real life, I'm just not at all picky about who I'm helping or who I'm learning from GraceKin12. The Lion King has its scenes of darkness and joy balanced. it's movies like Eragon you'd consider really dark but still their messages are good. The Lion King does with knowing who you are, and who you are does with doing the right thing but the Lion King does with cooperation too, Eragon does more with knowing your path and accepting change so you don't put yourself into trouble in the future.

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    • So you haven't  forgotten about the lion king. Learning from? Wha.... I though Eragon was a movie that flopped. I don't really know what the person who started this thread meant by 'edgy' because that could be ANYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE but Frozen 2 can be as Dark as the Lion king. After all EVERY disney movie has a happy ending. Also why did you meantion DVD? I never said DVD in my previous comment

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    • This page is more for film speech than character opinion. And book or movie in Eragon's story it's saphira's scenes and quotes I like and can remember easilly. 

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    • LionGuardEscort198 wrote:
      This page is more for film speech than character opinion. And book or movie in Eragon's story it's saphira's scenes and quotes I like and can remember easilly. 

      Are the books good? I love dragons! :D

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    • Eragon, Eldest,  Brisingr, and a fourth book too, these books are thick science fiction books, they're fine if you like heroes who do some wars or support unknwon villages. Sapphira herself is the dragon read of the most during the whole series. Christopher Paolini is the author.  And if you like to color large dragons, this author even asked his favorite artist to make a coloring book of Eragon and several of the drawings have the dragon. The books have the dragons staying with a master Eragon is clearly one of the busiest young fellows during the whole series. It's the fourth book that Sapphira even finds  a mate who's a green dragon.

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    • er...I don't think you're meant to tell me that. Isn't that like a huge spoiler....

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    • Well some people don't pick a book unless they have hints of  the adventure it offeres them. With the real problems Sapphira was quite lucky to not be the last dragon. 

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    • They should only make a film dark if it fits the story. Making a film dark for the sake of it would end disastrously. Anyway, I expect them to go into the origins of Elsa's powers in Frozen 2, which they could definitely put a dark spin on. 

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    • Agreed. Exactly my point, because as I said before. In the original book, there was this monstrous evil troll who tried to bring chaos to the world by using the cursed magic mirror that he created and it reflected beauty into ugliness. But he accidently dropped it, breaking the mirror and the shards scattered all over the world and striked the eyes and hearts of many people, turning them bad. The troll then disappered grinning, knowing that this accident was no accident after all. My point being, is that he may have given Elsa's powers as well and that may have a dark turn. When the Queen was pregnant of Elsa, about to be born. (since the King said that Elsa was born with them) The Troll could have shot a large blast of ice into her belly, trying to kill the unborn baby Elsa but he accidently gave her the powers, and he left laughing cruelly, as he realized that maybe it wasn't an accident after all, since her powers would bring her devastation throughout her life. 

      That's what I predict and hope that that's how Elsa would have first gotten her ice powers. Just trying to follow the original book.

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    • 702085 wrote:
      Agreed. Exactly my point, because as I said before. In the original book, there was this monstrous evil troll who tried to bring chaos to the world by using the cursed magic mirror that he created and it reflected beauty into ugliness. But he accidently dropped it, breaking the mirror and the shards scattered all over the world and striked the eyes and hearts of many people, turning them bad. The troll then disappered grinning, knowing that this accident was no accident after all. My point being, is that he may have given Elsa's powers as well and that may have a dark turn. When the Queen was pregnant of Elsa, about to be born. (since the King said that Elsa was born with them) The Troll could have shot a large blast of ice into her belly, trying to kill the unborn baby Elsa but he accidently gave her the powers, and he left laughing cruelly, as he realized that maybe it wasn't an accident after all, since her powers would bring her devastation throughout her life. 

      That's what I predict and hope that that's how Elsa would have first gotten her ice powers. Just trying to follow the original book.

      the only thing we know so far is that she was born with those powers.. maybe they can explain where in the family in originates from?

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    • Yeah, maybe you're right. But I still think it all began with the Troll with a lot of his sorcerers and monsters minions a 1000 years ago doing the same thing in ancient times. Bringing chaos and destruction into the lives of innocent people and cursing them and infecting them with dark powers. In Elsa's case, I know she was born with them, but what if it was not naturally? like maybe cursed or infected before birth?

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    • Good point since the parents didn't explain HOW she was born with powers just that she was. I still want to know why the trolls exisit XD they sort of come out of nowhere....

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    • Yeah. I still go with the 1000 years ago stuff during the ancient times of sorcerers and legends where there were many mythical creatures and all were good guys but one, the Evil Troll/Ogre and he took two hordes of creatures to be his minions which are goblins and gremlins (and since the trolls are good guys, I'm not gonna mention the Evil Troll anymore, instead I'll use the term ogre for the sentence, because I would like for the character to be recreated as an ogre) 

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    • sounds facinating

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    • 702085 wrote:
      Yeah. I still go with the 1000 years ago stuff during the ancient times of sorcerers and legends where there were many mythical creatures and all were good guys but one, the Evil Troll/Ogre and he took two hordes of creatures to be his minions which are goblins and gremlins (and since the trolls are good guys, I'm not gonna mention the Evil Troll anymore, instead I'll use the term ogre for the sentence, because I would like for the character to be recreated as an ogre) 

      Are you serious about wanting to get your vision made or just rambling on? Then go and buy the theater where the frozen broadway production is going to premiere. Then you might be able to delay the production. The frozen creaters will have to listen to you if do that. Try using crowdfunding to buy the theatre

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    • Oh yes! I want to get my vision made. The problem is, I live in Puerto Rico, I'm in my second year/going on third year of college and I don't have enough money to buy such expensive thing! And I don't want want to own big companies or anything, I just wish to work with them and make a short film of my very own and if that happens, maybe they could accept my idea which is recreating the Evil Troll. Someone named Johnharoldmeyer told me that, who is very enthusiastic of making a TV show for The Jungle Book and me too. But what do you think I should do?

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    • 702085 wrote:
      Oh yes! I want to get my vision made. The problem is, I live in Puerto Rico, I'm in my second year/going on third year of college and I don't have enough money to buy such expensive thing! And I don't want want to own big companies or anything, I just wish to work with them and make a short film of my very own and if that happens, maybe they could accept my idea which is recreating the Evil Troll. Someone named Johnharoldmeyer told me that, who is very enthusiastic of making a TV show for The Jungle Book and me too. But what do you think I should do?

      Buy the Anaheim Convention Center and cancel all disney programs happening there even the D23 expo. The frozen creaters will have to listen to you if you do that. Is that easier for you?

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    • Jim Reaper wrote:
      702085 wrote:
      Oh yes! I want to get my vision made. The problem is, I live in Puerto Rico, I'm in my second year/going on third year of college and I don't have enough money to buy such expensive thing! And I don't want want to own big companies or anything, I just wish to work with them and make a short film of my very own and if that happens, maybe they could accept my idea which is recreating the Evil Troll. Someone named Johnharoldmeyer told me that, who is very enthusiastic of making a TV show for The Jungle Book and me too. But what do you think I should do?
      Buy the Anaheim Convention Center and cancel all disney programs happening there even the D23 expo. The frozen creaters will have to listen to you if you do that. Is that easier for you?

      I don't understand how that's good advice...:(

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    • Jim Reaper wrote:
      702085 wrote:
      Oh yes! I want to get my vision made. The problem is, I live in Puerto Rico, I'm in my second year/going on third year of college and I don't have enough money to buy such expensive thing! And I don't want want to own big companies or anything, I just wish to work with them and make a short film of my very own and if that happens, maybe they could accept my idea which is recreating the Evil Troll. Someone named Johnharoldmeyer told me that, who is very enthusiastic of making a TV show for The Jungle Book and me too. But what do you think I should do?
      Buy the Anaheim Convention Center and cancel all disney programs happening there even the D23 expo. The frozen creaters will have to listen to you if you do that. Is that easier for you?

      Dude, that's a terrible idea.

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    • DisneyCWS wrote:
      Jim Reaper wrote:
      702085 wrote:
      Oh yes! I want to get my vision made. The problem is, I live in Puerto Rico, I'm in my second year/going on third year of college and I don't have enough money to buy such expensive thing! And I don't want want to own big companies or anything, I just wish to work with them and make a short film of my very own and if that happens, maybe they could accept my idea which is recreating the Evil Troll. Someone named Johnharoldmeyer told me that, who is very enthusiastic of making a TV show for The Jungle Book and me too. But what do you think I should do?
      Buy the Anaheim Convention Center and cancel all disney programs happening there even the D23 expo. The frozen creaters will have to listen to you if you do that. Is that easier for you?
      Dude, that's a terrible idea.

      I Agreed, isn't D23 REALLY important? and I don't think a single person can randomly buy a centre that's a bit insane really :o

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    • Elsa's servant wrote:
      Does anybody think Frozen 2 should be a little darker to show that the franchise is not just for female audience and to show it's more than just a overpopular franchise that heart and soul was put into?

      You seriously need to explain what you mean by 'Dark' and 'edgy' in this context, Elsa's servant.

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      Oh yes! I want to get my vision made. The problem is, I live in Puerto Rico, I'm in my second year/going on third year of college and I don't have enough money to buy such expensive thing! And I don't want want to own big companies or anything, I just wish to work with them and make a short film of my very own and if that happens, maybe they could accept my idea which is recreating the Evil Troll. Someone named Johnharoldmeyer told me that, who is very enthusiastic of making a TV show for The Jungle Book and me too. But what do you think I should do?
      Buy the Anaheim Convention Center and cancel all disney programs happening there even the D23 expo. The frozen creaters will have to listen to you if you do that. Is that easier for you?
      Dude, that's a terrible idea.
      I Agreed, isn't D23 REALLY important? and I don't think a single person can randomly buy a centre that's a bit insane really :o

      Yeah. Firstly, Buying the Anaheim Convention Centre will probably cost millions. I highly doubt a second year college student can afford it without taking a huge loan from the bank and plunging themselves into debt. Secondly, Disney will be able to find another venue for D23, meaning that holding them to ransom simply won't work.

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    • .....yeah try to avoid doing things that will get you in trouble, ok guys?

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    • I made a short animation. Wanted to release it cinematically but one has to start somewhere

      https://twitter.com/jimreaper13/status/886125245672767489

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    • ok no one is listening, well if you get in trouble don't come crying to the thread to me.:/

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    • Sorry I didn't reply yesterday, I was busy.

      Jim Reaper are you for real? How can you possibly expect me to do a thing like that? And you are the one who brings notifications about what is Frozen 2 up to. First, it ain't going to work because I live in Puerto Rico and in college, and second, even if it works, I would be getting into trouble with the company. So I don't want to do anything that would sabotage the people at Disney. If I want my vision to get made, I must go and work for Disney as an animator or employee or like Johnharoldmeyer said: Make a short animated film of your very own, hope for the best that they like and THEN they might consider my idea and perhaps listen to me if I do that.

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    • 702085 wrote: Sorry I didn't reply yesterday, I was busy.

      Jim Reaper are you for real? How can you possibly expect me to do a thing like that? And you are the one who brings notifications about what is Frozen 2 up to. First, it ain't going to work because I live in Puerto Rico and in college, and second, even if it works, I would be getting into trouble with the company. So I don't want to do anything that would sabotage the people at Disney. If I want my vision to get made, I must go and work for Disney as an animator or employee or like Johnharoldmeyer said: Make a short animated film of your very own, hope for the best that they like and THEN they might consider my idea and perhaps listen to me if I do that.

      At least buy a multiplane camera. It's quite possibly the key invention the Disney company ever produced

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    • But aren't those only for 2D drawing animation? I wanna make my short film 3D computer animated? 

      Can also anybody here tell me some good advice for what I want to do? Besides Jim Reaper? No offense, but I wanna hear from you guys. What do you guys think I should do?

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    • 702085 wrote:
      But aren't those only for 2D drawing animation? I wanna make my short film 3D computer animated? 

      Can also anybody here tell me some good advice for what I want to do? Besides Jim Reaper? No offense, but I wanna hear from you guys. What do you guys think I should do?

      Sorry to kinda be a bit of a buzzkill here, but Frozen 2 is being released in 2 years, and they'll probably have finished the final plot soon. I doubt that you'll have enough time to get into a position to influence their decision. 

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    • Do I really need 2 years to animate just one character? Because, that's I what I'm trying to do here. Animate the recreated ogre version of the Evil Troll from the original Snow Queen which Frozen is based on and put him in Frozen 2 as the villain, if they accept it once I create an animated short film from my animation college. I have already drew him. He's like, both an original character and NOT an original character. It's just a character from the Snow Queen that I wish to recreate.

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    • 702085 wrote:
      Do I really need 2 years to animate just one character? Because, that's I what I'm trying to do here. Animate the recreated ogre version of the Evil Troll from the original Snow Queen which Frozen is based on and put him in Frozen 2 as the villain, if they accept it once I create an animated short film from my animation college. I have already drew him. He's like, both an original character and NOT an original character. It's just a character from the Snow Queen that I wish to recreate.

      I'm not saying it will take two years for you to animate a character, but it will probably take you more than two years to get into a position where you can influence the plot of Frozen 2. 

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    • But I've read somewhere that even university students can be accepted into the studio if already having the experience and good disposition in drawing and animating, like maybe havig an advanced knowledge, speak good english and some other stuff I don't remember. I hope that's true. 

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    • 702085 wrote:
      But I've read somewhere that even university students can be accepted into the studio if already having the experience and good disposition in drawing and animating, like maybe havig an advanced knowledge, speak good english and some other stuff I don't remember. I hope that's true. 

      Maybe. I haven't read up on stuff like this so I'm just guessing really.

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    • 702085 wrote:
      But I've read somewhere that even university students can be accepted into the studio if already having the experience and good disposition in drawing and animating, like maybe havig an advanced knowledge, speak good english and some other stuff I don't remember. I hope that's true. 

      Hurry up because disney's going to ruin everything with excessive autotune. Josh gad says so with a straight face. god i hope they're joking

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    • Jim Reaper wrote:
      702085 wrote:
      But I've read somewhere that even university students can be accepted into the studio if already having the experience and good disposition in drawing and animating, like maybe havig an advanced knowledge, speak good english and some other stuff I don't remember. I hope that's true. 
      Hurry up because disney's going to ruin everything with excessive autotune. Josh gad says so with a straight face. god i hope they're joking

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      That was just a friendly dig at Kristen. He's basically implying that she can't sing and that autotune makes her sound better (fairly sure he's joking btw).

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    • Since when does dark and gritty only appeal to female audiences? My girlfriend loves darker themed stories the Black Cauldren, etc. I mean, sure, I wouldn't mind seeing a darker sequel.

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    • I even made a little storyboard involving the character. I don't know if you have seen them but I have posted them on one of the threads around here that I really don't remember which was it, but right now, I'm drawing new pictures and then I'll post them right here when I have the chance. 

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      So, this one of my possible storyboards. This is where Elsa was at her Ice Palace watching Anna and Kristoff singing Love Can't Be Denied. Then suddenly, the Evil Ogre whose name is Plarkerus sneaked up behind her and held her at an arm lock, threatning to kill her if she made a sound, he was talking to her about something from the past. Elsa soon frees herslef and elbows his lip. Though they're just talking confrontingly. I don't know what I can come up with in their coversation right now, but I drew these pictures with the best I can with some hard work.

      Right now, I'm drawing a storyboard where he's singing a song

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    • 702085 wrote:
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      So, this one of my possible storyboards. This is where Elsa was at her Ice Palace watching Anna and Kristoff singing Love Can't Be Denied. Then suddenly, the Evil Ogre whose name is Plarkerus sneaked up behind her and held her at an arm lock, threatning to kill her if she made a sound, he was talking to her about something from the past. Elsa soon frees herslef and elbows his lip. Though they're just talking confrontingly. I don't know what I can come up with in their coversation right now, but I drew these pictures with the best I can with some hard work.

      Right now, I'm drawing a storyboard where he's singing a song

      Look maybe you could send the pictures to disney animators via social media. They may not bother to read fanfictions but they may look at fan art. If they don't respond then try buying your local centre for the moving image so you can get extra help to make your movies and display them at the centre for the moving image. Believe me it will be worth it. 

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    • Gladly. But I really don't have any local centre to buy. I mean I don't know which center should I buy. I just don't want to do anything stupid on politic things. Maybe I could post these on Twitter or Instagram or something. I did a drawing of the Frozen characters with Plarkerus the ogre and posted it on Instagram and recieved 202 likes. I just did these drawings at home and imagine what events may cause here.

      I'm almost done with the next storyboard drawings of the ogre singing

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    • Jim Reaper wrote:
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      So, this one of my possible storyboards. This is where Elsa was at her Ice Palace watching Anna and Kristoff singing Love Can't Be Denied. Then suddenly, the Evil Ogre whose name is Plarkerus sneaked up behind her and held her at an arm lock, threatning to kill her if she made a sound, he was talking to her about something from the past. Elsa soon frees herslef and elbows his lip. Though they're just talking confrontingly. I don't know what I can come up with in their coversation right now, but I drew these pictures with the best I can with some hard work.

      Right now, I'm drawing a storyboard where he's singing a song

      Look maybe you could send the pictures to disney animators via social media. They may not bother to read fanfictions but they may look at fan art. If they don't respond then try buying your local centre for the moving image so you can get extra help to make your movies and display them at the centre for the moving image. Believe me it will be worth it. 

      Dude, stop suggesting buying a theatre. It will 100% not work.


      @702085 I'm sorry to say this, Frozen 2 comes out in about 2 years. They've probably already developed some of their own ideas. I highly doubt that you'll be able to influence the actual plot of the film. But hey, if you wanna keep going, then good luck to you.

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    • Well, maybe. But we never know if some ideas might be changed overall. The first Frozen movie was re-written a few times so the same thing could happen with Frozen 2. I just wanna create a CG montage or animation test for Plarkerus the ogre and imagine what it would be like if Disney saw it and suggest putting him in the movie. Even though it might be too late

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    • Not sure if this is relevant, but I heard the upcoming MLP movie is rated PG for intense action sequences, and its villain does seem pretty menacing (except for his only appearance in the trailer, but then he was mocking Twilight)

      Then again, Frozen is rated PG and is less intense than most of MLP's two-part episodes (aside from the fact that good characters never die onscreen in MLP). And many of the G-rated Disney movies, I might add

      If you haven't heard of MLP's popularity or fandom, I urge you to look it up. (Today a huge chunk are a bunch of obnoxious complainers, and the most recent episode just made fun of them) And if you don't want to, consider this: The villain being destroyed in my avatar? He's from MLP.

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    • 702085 wrote:
      Well, maybe. But we never know if some ideas might be changed overall. The first Frozen movie was re-written a few times so the same thing could happen with Frozen 2. I just wanna create a CG montage or animation test for Plarkerus the ogre and imagine what it would be like if Disney saw it and suggest putting him in the movie. Even though it might be too late

      Are you still alive to achieve your goals? I heard Hurricane Irma left a lot of places in puerto rico without power

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    • I'm very well, thank you. Yes I haven't had power for 3 days but everything's fine now. I'm still working on the Plarkerus project and I'm writing a movie of my own! 

      Just please don't suggest me buying centers or theaters or anything that will cost millions of dollars because it's just impossible. There has to be other ways.

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    • 702085 wrote: I'm very well, thank you. Yes I haven't had power for 3 days but everything's fine now. I'm still working on the Plarkerus project and I'm writing a movie of my own! 

      Just please don't suggest me buying centers or theaters or anything that will cost millions of dollars because it's just impossible. There has to be other ways.

      Are you still alive? I heard that Puerto Rico got hit by hurricane Maria?

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