Look I enjoyed the movie as much as everyone else, but I find it very hard to defend on a buisness level other than it's a popular Disney princess.
Look I enjoyed the movie as much as everyone else, but I find it very hard to defend on a buisness level other than it's a popular Disney princess.
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Go to the discussion about P&TF, I made my statements there
I don't judge Disney movies by how successful they are, but by how much I think of them!!
E.g. I don't think there are many marvelous things to be said about Frozen, and here the world is mad for it.
Or: I LOVE the Princess and the Frog, and nothing a review or a box office says can change this.
And, there are loads of movies tha I like that were completely not successful, which I find quite sad.
I think Pikachufan1336 means only in terms of box office, as there have been some suggestions that it is the start of a new renaissance. Tangled could potentially be seen as a start of one though as Wreck-It Ralph did pretty well in box office; and we all know about Frozen.
Well, Princess and the Frog was what revived both Hand Drawn animation and audiences to Disney.
No, it wasn't as succesful as most animated films, but it is the 13th highest grossing hand drawn film of all time and 16th highest grossing Disney animated film of all time.
Also, where do you get off telling people not to defend this film? If they want to defend it, and have legitimate reasons for it, that's all up to them.
The film defends itself. The Princess and the Frog is a great one, one of my favorite Disney movies.
Meta defense: TPatF was called "so successful" by the Disney company that it was the reason the 2011 Winnie the Pooh film was made, which is the highest rated Disney film on Rotten Tomatoes since The Lion King, and the songwriters, Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez were assigned to do the songs for Frozen based on their performance in Winnie the Pooh.
I love P&TF too!
But I don't see any credibility in it in terms of success. All the Disney films were made as anti-P&TF as possible. (Rapunzel was changed to Tangled, for example).
Winnie the Pooh was already well into production when P&TF was first released. And that movie financially did even worse (infact adjusted for inflation it made less than any other Disney movie to date).
I just don't see it.
But I don't see any credibility in it in terms of success. All the Disney films were made as anti-P&TF as possible. (Rapunzel was changed to Tangled, for example).
Winnie the Pooh was already well into production when P&TF was first released. And that movie financially did even worse (infact adjusted for inflation it made less than any other Disney movie to date).
I just don't see it.
The Princess and the Frog helped start off more work into the cultural settings of Disney movies. Before it, there was more stereotyping than study. After it, starting with Frozen, different cultures were studied more carefully. Moana will make this clear with its portrayals of Polynesian deities.
Pikachufan1336 wrote:
I love P&TF too!
But I don't see any credibility in it in terms of success. All the Disney films were made as anti-P&TF as possible. (Rapunzel was changed to Tangled, for example).
Winnie the Pooh was already well into production when P&TF was first released. And that movie financially did even worse (infact adjusted for inflation it made less than any other Disney movie to date).
I just don't see it.
The only reason Winnie the Pooh did financially worse than P&TF was because John Lasseter moronically had the film released at the absolute worst time to release it (if I remember correctly, he released the film on the same day Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2. It doesn't take a business major to realize that releasing the film on the same day as the anticipated conclusion of a popular series of films based on a popular series of books is NOT going to end well for Winnie at all.).
Pikachufan1336 wrote:
But I don't see any credibility in it in terms of success. All the Disney films were made as anti-P&TF as possible. (Rapunzel was changed to Tangled, for example).
Winnie the Pooh was already well into production when P&TF was first released. And that movie financially did even worse (infact adjusted for inflation it made less than any other Disney movie to date).
I just don't see it.
That's something I can agree on, it's as if Catmull & Lasseter were trying to axe off Disney's hand-drawn animation forever.