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  • User:Matipereira appears to have ignored your instructions and has again inserted personal viewpoints on the articles. Recently on the Big Hero 6 page.

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  • Look, it's not just the fact that she doesn't want to interact with the boys in the village. If it were just THOSE specific boys who played as pirates that she didn't want to interact with (to the extent that she said in terms of exact words "those roughnecks who played pirates"), that I can forgive, but the way she was talking, it sounded more like she was tarring ALL the boys in the village, heck, all MALES regardless of age, as being no different from pigs, even if they weren't anything like the boys who played pirates, which IS bigotry. So yes, it IS bigotry that she's displaying, not any different from the bigotry that Gaston displayed to women, where he makes his dim views on women VERY clear (in fact, probably the ONLY difference between her during that time and him is that Gaston at least ATTEMPTED to interact with women despite his views, while Belle refused to do the same with guys). Heck, when expressing her views, she actually went as far as to explicitly denounce men (as in adult males, not simply little boys. There's a reason "men" and "boys" are separate words, after all.), not even CARING what Maurice had to say about them maturing as well as she seemed to assume they'll ALWAYS be like that. And quite frankly, those kids were playing pirates, you can't expect them to act nice when playing pirates since they're notorious for doing LOTS of bad things, from theft to murder to... well, I think you can imagine the list. It would be like expecting a teacher to not teach students.

    In fact, how about I post the exact transcript of that comic page, down to even the bolded parts:

    The New Adventures of Beauty and the Beast, Issue 1; story 2: Bothered, Page 14. Disney Comics, 1993.

    ""Maurice: You should be playing outside with the other children! // Belle: I'm having a much better time in King Arthur's Court! Sometimes I can see myself living in a castle surrounded by servants. I might even entertain the thought of a handsome prince... ...As long as he was gentle and kind... Not like those childish roughnecks in the square! Not one of them could even spell gallant! // Maurice: A day will come when those boys will look like knights in shining armor to you. // Belle: Never! I won't have anything to do with them. Men are such... such... // Maurice: Hear that, Pierre? According to my daughter there isn't an ounce of difference between us! // Pierre: Oink! // Belle: Well, I suppose there are some exceptions."

    And don't claim Belle's age as an excuse for bigotry, either. Based on how she looked from distance shots compared to those kids as well as the scene where they lifted her up, she looked more like she was closer to her early teens than being a child (the kids were practically dwarfs compared to her, to the extent that when "crowd-surfing" her, they actually look even shorter than her even altogether. If she were a child, she'd be at least their size, maybe slightly taller rather than outright dwarfing them). She definitely would know better by that point, especially when her FATHER of all people stated that they'll ultimately mature someday, and she has immense respect for him in the movie.

    Sorry, but I get very irritated whenever people think Belle was not being a bigot. If it's bigoted for Gaston to have those views on women, it's definitely just AS bigoted for Belle to have similar views on men, especially when unlike Gaston, she never even TRIED to interact with guys in that comic. What's good for the goose is good for the gander regarding definitions, or in this case, what's BAD for the goose is BAD for the gander.

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    • Firstly, childish roughnecks in the square is plenty indication that she's referring to a specific group and not every man in the world.

      Secondly, Maurice himself was referring to the specific boys in their village, he used the term "those boys", not "men of the world". Why would she want anything to do with a crowd that bullies her? It's ridiculous to expect her to be so forgiving when she has no reason to be.

      Third, again, she never finishes her statement. You once said Belle was "stupid" because she didn't punch Gaston and run off before he and his mob could take Maurice away. By that logic, who's to say Belle wasn't going to use a term other than pigs. Maurice was the one that practically said it, not her.

      So no, she's not a bigot. Those boys were her abusers and she has no reason to treat them kindly when they gave her no incentive. It's no different than her relationship with Beast. He was cold and cruel, so she had no reason to treat him with kindness. He was the one responsible for her low opinions on him, so he was the one that had to make the change. Then, regardless of his gender, she returned the kindness and affection. So no, she's not a bigot. She has strong opinions, but she doesn't refuse to change them, so long as she has a reason to. In that comic, she absolutely did not.

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    • 1. Childish roughnecks in the square could mean literally any little boy who was on the square that day, even a little boy reading a book who happened to have an uncouth mouth. That's not specific enough for me. If she said "childish roughnecks who frequently play pirates", that would have narrowed things down for me quite a bit.

      2. Cinderella was very forgiving to her stepsisters and stepmother, and they treated her worse than those boys did to her. And besides, Belle is the one who said "men are such, such...", which definitely went far beyond the pirate boys even if she WERE talking about them (and again, my idea of specific is she specifically IDs them as the boys who played pirates, not simply "childish roughnecks in the square". That to me could mean kids playing rugby or soccer or kickball or literally any kind of physical activity [you know, being typical boys], not really enough for me to narrow anything down.). "Men" refers to adult males among a given populace, or at the very least those in their mid-to-late teens. They don't refer to children, so she clearly was referring to males as a whole in that statement (she would have specifically referred to "boys").

      3. While Maurice was the one who finished for her, it was still pretty clear from her overall reaction as well as her reply about there being some exceptions without even denying what Maurice said that she was indeed going to use the term pigs (if she wasn't, she would said, "no, actually, I was going to say that 'men are such jerks', and besides, I suppose there are some exceptions."). And yes, Belle WAS being stupid during the whole mob scene as well. I'm sorry, but when she literally managed to deduce that Gaston was the ringleader of the mob who came to take her father away specifically to blackmail her into marrying him a few seconds beforehand, exposing the Beast and nearly getting him killed is not my idea of "smart" (especially when she most likely would have deduced just from that that Gaston would have tried to kill his potential rival if he even gets any hint that she might have feelings for him. I know if I were in her position, that thought would have crossed my mind exactly.).

      4. Yes, actually, she IS a bigot ultimately, just like Gaston was a bigot to the women in the village. And for the record, they were playing pirates, what did you EXPECT them to do, especially knowing what pirates were like? Had I been in her position, I'd forgive them for being that since I if anything would EXPECT pirates to act that way, NOT asking politely for her to do so and then leaving disappointed, as that's not what pirates do in reality, let alone in make-believe, as they're supposed to be scoundrels. She'd ought to know as someone who is a huge bibliophile. And as far as her relationship to the Beast since you mentioned THAT as a comparison point, let me remind you that it was Beast who not only gave her that bedroom of hers, but even went as far as to grant her free access to the castle barring the West Wing, and the latter bit wasn't even Lumiere's suggestion [Lumiere specifically suggested he give her an actual bedroom rather than have her rot in a prison cell, he never said anything about free access to the castle. If he had a Joker-esque sense of literalness, he would have moved her to the bedroom, yet STILL not granted her access to the castle without his specific say so, not even allow her to open her doors, like how most prisons operate.], meaning that bit was purely of his OWN volition. That was WAY too generous, especially for a guy who, as you pointed out, was supposed to be cold and cruel initially. Not to mention it's heavily implied that a large part of the reason he gave her the bedroom instead of the cell despite initially refusing Lumiere's exact suggestion to do so without even a word was specifically out of guilt for thoughtlessly dragging Maurice away. And during the dinner argument, Beast was the one who had to swallow his pride and, wait for it, politely ask her down to dinner, TWICE, and that was despite clearly not liking the idea of having to act that way. That would have been reason enough for Belle to at least ATTEMPT to give Beast a chance while at the same time not necessarily trusting him. Yet she STILL blew him off, both times, and when the Wardrobe suggested that Belle try to give him a chance, similar to Mrs. Potts', Lumiere's, and Cogsworth's coaching to Beast, she blew her off rudely as well (it's funny, Beast at least listened to them when they tried to coach him in doing so, tried to be polite despite clearly not being happy about having to do so, when he could have just as easily thrown them over and screamed "shut up" in response). He DID attempt to make changes and amends, even before the wolf scene (if he didn't, she wouldn't have even been moved out of the prison cell to a bedroom, and Beast would not have even attempted to try to politely ask her to come down to dinner, despite it obviously being very uncomfortable for him trying to do so.). So no, your example with Beast is actually a bad example, and one that doesn't really work especially regarding the children you cited (and I wouldn't call that abusive. Rough-play, sure, but then again, pirates are supposed to be rough-players. "Abusive" would be more like what Edgar did to his wife in Men in Black, or what Homer does to Bart in The Simpsons, or for that matter what Gaston frequently does to LeFou, heck, to a certain extent what Lumiere and Cogsworth do to each other.). Now, if you cited, say, Gaston and Belle's relationship, that would have been a far better example to use, especially when unlike the example with Beast, Gaston made absolutely no effort to change at all. In fact, technically, she only started falling for Beast AFTER he gave her the library, since even after the wolf incident, she still seemed to not like him based on her little glare when he asked that she close her eyes, only doing so when he said it's a surprise. And for the record, liking only people who weren't "brainless" while hating brainless people is also by definition bigoted as well. I may not personally find brainlessness particularly good, but on the other hand, I could tolerate it if they show more admirable qualities as well. And for the record, the BEST demonstration of actual good character is trying to help out and save even those you outright hate, or defend them at the very least. Belle had an opportunity to do that to LeFou, yet she didn't, she didn't speak out against Gaston conking him on the head or his general abuse AFAIK, even though she witnessed at least one of those instances herself right at the beginning. Ariel at least has shown that kind of compassionate nature to even her enemies based on the TV series at least, and the comics as well. Heck, she even demonstrated it to a certain extent in the film based on her saving Sebastian. And ignoring Ariel, we also have Cinderella, who has in fact gone out of her way to help Anastasia when she needed it in the sequels. Other than the bit about the Beast after he saved her life, she hadn't really demonstrated that kind of compassion toward ANY of the other characters.

      And don't think from all of that that I somehow hate Belle or anything. While I do have a severe lack of trust in her right now, to the extent that she's actually my second-least favorite DP when originally she was my #2 favorite, make no mistake, I actually still like her, and if anything it pains me to even speak badly about her at all and actually WANT to like her again, even desperately wish they'd release even a DTV sequel for BATB that redeems her fully regarding the French Revolution, to avert any possible implications of her becoming a Jacobin. I even wrote a blog about it explaining my reasonings, limiting myself strictly to the original film, not any expanded universe materials or Special Editions, including the prequel comic I cited, per a request by one of the users, and I've even went as far as to post photos of my most treasured toy as a child on that same blog to prove my sincerity of my claims. And I certainly would defend Belle from accusations or criticisms towards her character that she definitely doesn't deserve especially in regards to flaws she might have, like for example whether or not she has Stockholm syndrome (she doesn't, BTW). Heck, even though I trust The Bimbettes more than her currently, I don't exactly like them at all (though that being said, I'm more aloof to them). And just as a FYI, while I AM willing to defend Beast and have a massive amount of respect for him myself due to the challenges he had to undergo, that DOESN'T mean he is flawless. He was cursed for a reason, after all, which dealt with his being spoiled, selfish, and unkind, and ultimately, he DID have quite a few jerkish spots that he needed to fix up, including especially his Kylo Ren-esque temper.

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  • 1. What's the perfect way to make a good video game related article without stealing infomation from Wikipedia? I want to put Lumines II and Lumines Plus in, but I don't know much about both games and both are published by Buena Vista Games.

    2. Can I put Digimon Tamers and Digimon Frontier on the Wiki? They're Anime that Disney had involvement in dubbing (for Tamers, only the last 12 episodes were dubbed by Disney, as the rest of the episodes were dubbed by Saban before the Fox Family Worldwide buyout) even though they didn't use their own brand name (they used the Sensation Animation name)

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  • User:Victormuchin050603 continues to revert back discarded contents, regarding certain Wander Over Yonder characters being neutral. Mostly on the Commander Peepers. I won't put up with this user continuously restoring the same edits despite our efforts. Furthermore it upsets the editing history.

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  • User:Mattmeine is inserting false categories.

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  • User:Saiph123 continues to commit revert wars. Despite my efforts, the user does not comply.

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  • We got a returning vandal with an inappropriate username who keeps posting Non-Disney related articles.

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  • User:Hayfer24 continues to revert back discarded edits and fails to comply with instructions not to do so. It's upsetting the history record.

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  • I've had a talk with another admin about this before and I might have done with you as well, but would you say the shows produced by Jetix Europe (unlike the American Jetix, Jetix Europe was only 76% owned by Disney) or SIP Animation (an Independent company that Disney owned a minorty stake in, and you deleted the A.T.O.M. page a while back) are Disney or not? The American Jetix produced shows are all on here (likely because the American Jetix was fully owned by Disney).

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